Kamy
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Post by Kamy on Feb 14, 2005 17:11:46 GMT -5
are you sure we move in it, adn it just doesnt move around us?
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Post by Annie on Feb 14, 2005 17:48:03 GMT -5
I think ghosts are the mind part without a body. Like astral projection only not. I heard on the Discovery channel or something that ghosts are the impressions that a person leaves behind that keeps replaying over and over again to people who are sensitive to the electrical impulses left behind. I think that's why most ghosts are people who died horribly. Their impression is stronger because of thier awful death. Hm...I think that's what it said.
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Kamy
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Post by Kamy on Feb 14, 2005 18:15:31 GMT -5
wut, like our daemons?
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Yumi
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Human - Yumi ~ Daemon - Eikara (official* cieday - 1/14/05)
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Post by Yumi on Feb 14, 2005 21:04:41 GMT -5
Hmm...it's hard to separate spirit and soul, I think, at least for me. All of the different parts - body, mind, and spirit/soul - are very closely linked, in my opinion; without one, the others would stop working, or be damaged in some irrevokable way. I think that my body is mine, the part that houses all the senses and the things that allow the other parts to be expressed; the mind's what does the expressing...but if my spirit is me and my daemon's my soul, but my daemon and I are also one being, that makes it hard to figure out where I stop and she starts. Actually drawing the line and saying why is tough.
I've heard the theory about mental impressions of the dead being the cause for ghosts, too...but then, if spirits or souls aren't lingering around here after death, what happens to them? It's something to wonder about...
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Post by |3200k1 on Feb 14, 2005 21:15:37 GMT -5
I think ghosts are the mind part without a body. Like astral projection only not. I heard on the Discovery channel or something that ghosts are the impressions that a person leaves behind that keeps replaying over and over again to people who are sensitive to the electrical impulses left behind. I think that's why most ghosts are people who died horribly. Their impression is stronger because of thier awful death. Hm...I think that's what it said. Theres a story by Chrles DeLint called Timeskip and its about that. When they tried to make contact with the Timeskip,one of them got dragged back into its time because it though t THEY were the ghosts. maybe. >> <Nymm-could you have stayed LESS on topic?>
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Kamy
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Post by Kamy on Feb 15, 2005 13:09:40 GMT -5
who the hell is that?
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Post by |3200k1 on Feb 15, 2005 17:38:58 GMT -5
Is who?Charles DeLint? An author...
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Post by Zoe 'n' Calosta on Feb 21, 2005 11:38:30 GMT -5
I agree with the mind = you, soul = daemon body = something you move around in. Ghosts/astral projection are your mind I believe, as a sang I can do that rather easily but I'm not sure about everyone else here. Your body, once it dies, is buried or burnt and thats the end, its a shell. Your soul is your daemon, your essence, your everything and when you die, perhaps it disappears. Perhaps your soul is part you and part your daemon? Or else how would you get to heaven/hell or reincarnated for those who believe in that. What part of you goes onto the afterlife? Your mind? I think perhaps mind and spirit are the same thing, just with two different names and two different 'ideas', mind immediately makes me think of brain, though mind and spirit could mean the same thing.
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Post by |3200k1 on Feb 21, 2005 13:11:07 GMT -5
I agree with the mind = you, soul = daemon body = something you move around in. Ghosts/astral projection are your mind I believe, as a sang I can do that rather easily but I'm not sure about everyone else here. Your body, once it dies, is buried or burnt and thats the end, its a shell. Your soul is your daemon, your essence, your everything and when you die, perhaps it disappears. Perhaps your soul is part you and part your daemon? Or else how would you get to heaven/hell or reincarnated for those who believe in that. What part of you goes onto the afterlife? Your mind? I think perhaps mind and spirit are the same thing, just with two different names and two different 'ideas', mind immediately makes me think of brain, though mind and spirit could mean the same thing. What's a sang?
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Kamy
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Post by Kamy on Feb 21, 2005 16:57:04 GMT -5
Is who?Charles DeLint? An author... what type of author?
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Post by |3200k1 on Feb 21, 2005 23:08:39 GMT -5
He's a contemporary fantasy author.
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Post by J and Captiosus on Feb 23, 2005 9:33:16 GMT -5
I'm certainly not a spirit. The spirit's different than a soul or a daemon. The spirit is less human, mortal, like the part of a being that's both human and daemon...a purer daemon, I think. I don't believe in an afterlife. I don't believe humans really are that special. And not to offend anyone, but I didn't even really believe in Capt. He was just something to liven up life. But now--now it is different. I've kept him up so much that he is real now. But as far as things go, he's still pretty earthly. I'd like to believe in a higher power, that humans are complex and stuff, but as my hero Carl Sagan said, 'I don't want to believe. I want to know.' It's funny, but I wanted to stop thinking a few times. I thought, 'what's the point? If the greatest minds couldn't figure stuff out, what makes me think I, a below average 13-year old, will?' I realized I was caught in an never endling web of contradictions and I'd never solve anything or have an original thought, so why bother? And yet, for some reason, I always do wind up thinking about these things despite their futility. What were we talking about again?
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Alexei & Kryii
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Post by Alexei & Kryii on Mar 5, 2005 15:44:12 GMT -5
*holds up his hands in despair*
Yet again, ladies and gents, the lovly Kryillian...
Wicker. And thank you. *bows*
Now, then. I said something on this earlier today, talking about animals and whether they have dæmons.
I'll kinda extrapolate on that. A spirit is the base of life or form, so to speak. It is the spirit, in its purest form, that is the 'divine spark' of connection, and life. Thus, spirit, in one form or another, exists in everything, from the tiniest pebble to the greatest whale to the smartest human. Spirit binds a single form into one thing, it is spirit that God/The Gods/Random Chance/<insert your theory here> used to allow forms to continue existing. This is the base instinct in animals and in humans.
And in dæmons. Form, or body, is anything that spirit holds together. Spirit effects, hoever, only those physical things. And we all agree, I do believe, that dæmons are much more than simple instinct. We think as much as man does, don't we? We have our own thoughts. So the idea of instinct/body/mind is fundamentally flawed- for i have MY OWN mind and instincts, seperate and apart from those Alexei feels. But he has his, too. I want to chace mice when I see them- that's IN me. Not so Alexei.
Same, he thinks aout his poetry as he reads it and after. I think of my philosphy in a similar mode.
So that leaves soul- something that binds two spirits together. That insubstantial thing that gives men the ability to not just think and feel, but to understand. A single spirit is too weak for that-- spirit is not a powerful thing as far as mind goes. Even the smartest of animals is only SO smart when compared to that which humans can acheive.
So my SPIRIT is different from ALEXEI's... that is why I am distinct, even if I am connected. It is the oul that provides us to acheive the 'image of God' in which we were created-- an image not of form, but of UNDERSTANDING.
Thus, my God and Alexei's Goddess and the Gods of the Galvespians and the act of creation hailed by aliens living on Altair 27 all are the same-- and created every one of us in 'his' image-- becasue every one of us can Understand 'his' works and 'his' creation.
And for the record, I assigned random faith to all of those examples. Do not assume Alexei and I worship a God, a Goddess, or anything-- and don't assume we don't-- in other words.
Cheers, and I'd like to see what you think of my interpretation.
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Post by Tatl & Valian on Mar 5, 2005 19:20:17 GMT -5
*applauds*
This is almost just what I was thinking earlier! So you're saying that you and your daemon share the same soul but different spirits? That really makes sense, Val and I were thinking aobut this, alot of things are similar between us, (like if there's a song in his head, it'll be in mine, if I'm tired, so is hei) but differant. Like he can be in a bad mood, and I can be happy, and his tastes are slight different than mine. And we have differant thoughts, even though they're similar, if I really want to, I can hide things from him, and he can hide things from me. But we still deeply connect with each other.
Whoops, ramble alert. ^^'
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Alexei & Kryii
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Post by Alexei & Kryii on Mar 8, 2005 16:17:32 GMT -5
*applauds* This is almost just what I was thinking earlier! So you're saying that you and your daemon share the same soul but different spirits? That really makes sense, Val and I were thinking aobut this, alot of things are similar between us, (like if there's a song in his head, it'll be in mine, if I'm tired, so is hei) but differant. Like he can be in a bad mood, and I can be happy, and his tastes are slight different than mine. And we have differant thoughts, even though they're similar, if I really want to, I can hide things from him, and he can hide things from me. But we still deeply connect with each other. Whoops, ramble alert. ^^' Hehe, thanks, but I'm the dæmon... and you weren't ramblinf 'tall. I, on the other hand...*stuff kitty into picnic basket* Hehe. Sorry. She got loose again... Mmmmffmfmfmfmb!!!
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