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Post by Matt and Areus on May 5, 2005 14:41:35 GMT -5
Maybe... But all of time travel is confusing, I mean sure it would be cool to like see jesus or the dinosoars and all that. But if you knew how much you were gonna change, would you still wan't to? But if going further back in time changed it more, and you went to the beginning of time and you *blank*. (I was gonna say if you ,something that rhymes with bee , in something, but I didn't think that would be appropriate.) Imagine the catastrophic effects that one alteration could have. You could find yourself going back to a world like the Mulefa, or worse... Like a world in which every waking moment is like a neverending hell. But I myself don't beleive in backwards time travel, so I don't usually think of stuff like th- That's all you ever think about! don't lie and scare me like that. I was suddenly afraid that I missed the point of every conversation previous to this one.Sorry, but it's not like anyone here will be alive by the time they *might* invent time travel... Unless they already did in the future and gave it to us here in the past!
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Post by Annie on May 6, 2005 16:04:15 GMT -5
If time travel ever happens, people would have to go and change things in the past so that things are like they are at present. Erm......I need an example. Like...say someone important was mysteriously murdered, that lead to a revolution somewhere in the world. And nobody from that time did anything. Someone would have to go back in time to kill that person so things wouldn't screw up. If you've read Anne McCaffery's dragon books, then you know what I mean. I can't explain it any better than that.
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Post by |3200k1 on May 6, 2005 16:21:17 GMT -5
I never liked Anne McCaffery. But I have this short story in my lit book and it's about time travel and it's in the future. They're letting people pay to go back in time and sightsee dinosaurs and stuff,but they have to sign a release and if they touch anything or bring anything back,the people kill them. So theres this group going and it all seems to be going well and when they get back the letters onthe sign are messed up and in a diffrent language and people who were tehre aren't,so they searched the tourists down. One of them had a brightly colored butterfly crushed on his shoe and that was what changed everything. I liked it. But if the past was changed, wouldn't that change the entire lives of timetravellers? How would they remember that things hadn't always been that way? Are they immune to it since they were in the past? So many pondersome ponderables.
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 7, 2005 17:29:29 GMT -5
Yes, the problem is, when the timetraveller does what they were supposed to do, they don't have a reason to go do it. That means that they don't, which means they do, which means they don't, etc.
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Post by Matt and Areus on May 7, 2005 21:53:15 GMT -5
True but if you incorporate the alternate dimension theory it creates a loophole in which both outcomes are possible. So even if you did go back in time and change everything you'd still be there to do it because you'd be existing in both worlds. Mmm... not the best explination umm... The world would split so you could change it and *in another dimension you'd still be doing it. But wouldn't that cause an infinite amount of worlds through the repetition of this process?Maybe... But that would mean doing anything in life would cause an infinite amount of worlds. But that is the theory most scientists use (I think.) Also the you that goes back in time to change things ,after the first you did so, would not only be traveling through time, but also through dimensions. Weird. But what's really weird is that this should be ultimately confusing, but if you look at it in a certain light it doesn't make sense but it doesn't seem all that confusung either. Maybe the dynamics of the universe aren't confusing after all, but all of mankind tries to look at it in a certain way and we get lost in it all. Like we in the third dimension we can only see in 2d but with depth and distance added, (not sure but read about it in atext-book somewhere.) So maybe if there is an eternal life after this we'll be able to see it in perfect clarity... Maybe, maybe, maybe, listen to me ramble. I guess we'll never have proof of anything until we're dead. But when we have the proof who're we gonna tell. HA! Once again life seems nothing more than a sick sadistic joke.
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Post by |3200k1 on May 8, 2005 9:06:50 GMT -5
*is too lazy to picka certain point to copy* Lockedge- iunderstand what you're saying. It makes sense as well. I like that theory. *has the sudden urge to write a time-travel story.* *has a sudden plot* Oy vey. I'll be busy..will post when I get around to writing it..
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 8, 2005 11:40:02 GMT -5
I don't understand what Lockedge is saying Brooke - Save it for August's fanfic contest!
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Post by Alexei & Kryii on May 8, 2005 11:56:30 GMT -5
Two things, ideas that say it is impossible to change the past. No, three, though one sounds like a load of CARP ifn you ask me.
1: "Temporal Inertia" This is the theory that history has a "set" track it follows. Go back and kill Napolean, and there is still an Early 19th century dictator who rules Frances and cause war and sell Lousiana to the US. History DOES change... now it is "Doo-boo" not "Napolean." But by 1900 (or whenever), time is back on the same track as before the change. Another theory here is that only small changes are ever possible, try to do anything large and you are removed from power. Somehow.
2: Whatever changes you do in the past, no matter what, change nothing, because they have already happened in the past. Say you jump back and kill Napolean. Well, that Napolean, unknown to the world, already died, and a look-a-like took over. It happened in your past, you just don't realize it-- it happened becasue you did it then. You go back and step on a butterfly-- okay, becasue you time traveled, the butterfly already died and it has no effect.
I don't like this because free will suffers quite a bit from this interpretation, neh?
3: As in the story by Sturgeon (I think) called The Men Who Killed Muhammed, you can only change your own past. If I went back and shot Muhammed, killed Ceaser, slit Napolean's neck and nuked Hitler, the rest of the world would remain unaffected, but I, I would slowly cease to exist.
I personally think that's a load of CARP, pure and simple. Change the world, change the world, period, IMO. But it makes for a really good story.
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 8, 2005 12:03:37 GMT -5
Hmm... I remember that first theory from somewhere. I agree with it wholeheartedly.
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Post by |3200k1 on May 8, 2005 13:56:55 GMT -5
Brooke - Save it for August's fanfic contest! But I'm bad at fanfics...Ah,well. I'll make it work. Maybe something to do with daemons...>_>....Best not tell any ideas I might have. :-D
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 9, 2005 19:47:44 GMT -5
You don't have to if you don't want to. I'm just saying, it would be nice to have some entries.
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Post by |3200k1 on May 9, 2005 19:48:47 GMT -5
nonono,I will. I just have to figure out how to make it work and still make sense.....*ponders*
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 10, 2005 18:08:34 GMT -5
Good. Hmm... I think I'll put off the one one that's supposed to be going on now.
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