Worlds created by thought

[Matt and Areus]

Well as some of you read in my other thread, I said I was making up a story where worlds are created by thought rather than different outcomes. By this I mean what if because Tolkien thought of The Lord of The Rings, by some chance that world spurred into existence. (I'd rather not explain it, it's a little confusing.) Of course His Dark Materials world would exist too. I have had this sitting under my cap for about six years and I got to tell you it's good to try to tell others who don't *already think I'm insane.

I don't beleive this is true, it just is a cool thing to think about, for clarification of course. And yes I do know i put this on another thread I just gauge'd some reactions and decided it was cool enough to have it's own thread.

[KK]

This is how I think worlds are created. I also think that when you die, your mind and soul (and daemon) switch to any random world and you begin a new life there. You know, there's probably a world where 20's fashions are still cool, one where kids have power over adults, and one where hampsters are dominant.

[Darkshadow]

I've read about the Chainlink Theory, which I think is interesting. I'll explain it.

It works thus; every time we have a choice, in this world we take an option, don't we? (Still with me? ;D) Well, apparently, there is an infinite number of parallel universes in which we exist. In one, we exist, and we took an alternative option to our choice. In another, we exist again and we took another alternative option. See?

[Alexei & Kryii]

What Lock's saying, however, is a rather different variation, not based on choice and chance, as quantam mechanics presupposses for the chainlink theory, but through thought. If I think of a world where you are getting spanked by giant, killer venus fly traps with wings, then such a world now exists, but didn't until I thought of it. ;D So, Lock is saying that becasue of me, somewhere, those plants are spanking you. You're welcome, ^^

The problem I have with this is it, in turn, presupposes that man, a man, a woman, whatever, has the power to create a world. That a rock's thought can crate an entire universe in an instant.

I would say that perhaps, the only reason we can think of such things are becasue such things exist already, and we are simply getting a "vibration" offa them. We assume that God, the creator, or chance only created a single beginning point of existance, and everything comes from there, right? Even Quantam Mechanics assumes at some point, an unimaginably long time ago, only a single universe existed.

And then, it split.

And continues splitting; more occure at every moment.

It never ends; growth is infinite and carried on exponentially; yet, there is always room for more, more, more; where does it come from?

;D

Not that I like pondering the nature of the universe or anything, lol.

[Tyrannus et Callida]

Alexei said:

It never ends; growth is infinite and carried on exponentially; yet, there is always room for more, more, more; where does it come from?

And therein lies the mystery. If there are a myriad of universes, and they stemmed from other universes, where did the original universe come from? Furthermore, why did it exist? Why is there existance at all? Why is there anything? Why not nothing? Why do I ask so many questions? None of these can ever be truly answered, but only speculated upon.

[Matt and Areus]

Posted by: Tyrannus et Callida Posted on: Today at 14:44:20 And therein lies the mystery. If there are a myriad of universes, and they stemmed from other universes, where did the original universe come from? Furthermore, why did it exist? Why is there existance at all? Why is there anything? Why not nothing? Why do I ask so many questions? None of these can ever be truly answered, but only speculated upon.

Because that is the nature of humans, on some things the answer has been there all along but it didn't satsfy the masses, others will unfortunately never be answered. But for the most part it's just good fun, all of life could just be some cosmic joke for all we have proof.

on 05/04/2005 at 19:20:30, Alexei & Kryii wrote: It never ends; growth is infinite and carried on exponentially; yet, there is always room for more, more, more; where does it come from?

When I find myself beleiving things I settle on the Xenocide approach of the universe. (Xenocide is the third part in the Enders Game series.) In which outside of our own universe there is no concept of space at all. And out there there is an ifinite nothingness begging to be something. So perhaps when our thoughts broadcast outside of this universe the great nothing instantly snatches up on it and creates it little heart out. But this is mere speculation and until we learn anymore on the subject, that's all it ever will be. It's still cool though .

[Tyrannus et Callida]

Lockedge said:

So perhaps when our thoughts broadcast outside of this universe the great nothing instantly snatches up on it and creates it little heart out.

I have a new belief! That makes perfect sense.

[Annie]

Hm....There are many questions answered by theories that I know. Did you know what scientists refer to the space outside of the universe? They call it Chaos. So...the universe is expanding...into what? Expanding into Chaos. Or maybe there is only enough space for only so many worlds, and that eventually, they will begin to overlap into eachother. Like, instead of them being at the same place at the same time, they'd be /in/ each other. There is another theory about another universe that is comming into ours. Some scientists believe that there is another universe that we will be able to see in a couple of billion years. We will be able to see it, and maybe there will be alternate selves in this universe. Because scientists believe that it contains an earth parallel with human life, and maybe even the same people as who are on this earth. We may one day be able to look into a telescope and see ourselves on another planet. Freaky, isn't it? That theory combines with that other theory about the universes melding into each other. If scientists think that there is one universe coliding with ours, who's to say that there aren't trillions of them merging at the same time? Eventually, we'd be living on top of each other. But the human race might have died out by then. But maybe in the afterlife we will gain ultimate wisdom. I want to know everything. And it's an odd sensation of not being able to wrap my mind around the thought that there won't be enough room. What could be containing us? It's really disturbing that I can't understand that. It feels wrong that there isn't anything past a certain point. But how can something go on forever? But then, why shouldn't it? It's all so confusing.

[|3200k1]

I want to wrap my mind around it all,too. : ) Somethings I go so completely in depth into so that I know EVERYTHING but there are also some things that I want to know so much about but it's all complex,so I have no chance of grasping most of the concepts. I think we'll gain infinite knowledge witha touch of the divine,and then have it taken away when it's time to be reborn. KNowing erything..that sure is a gosh-darn lot...

[Alexei & Kryii]

I still see such power as beyond men, beyond mankind. As far as Xenocide suggests, as well as Children of the Mind (the fourth, for those who dun know), the timeless void of nothing outside creates and created and shall create everything, right?

Then where did they come from?

The problem with insisting that everything has a "creator," that everything is dependant on everything else is... where does the chain stop?

Where is the point of such power that is was never created, it existed first; where is "God"?

And if God does exist, how can we say that we created a universe? Perhaps we only only get a glimmer of the thoughts going across God's mind, and assume, pretend, beg to call them our own?

And if "he" doesn't, then how can anything exist? Everything must be created, but there can be no beginning. Thus, nothing can exist, and nothing can be created, for there can be nothing to begin the creation.



Now my head does hurt...

[Alexei & Kryii]

How did the loop come to exist in the first palce, however?

Did it just pop out of nowhere? If so, why? What caused it to do such?

If it has always been and will always be... that contradicts the universal laws as we know them. Where does the energy for this come from? Why a loop?

And again and a again, where the heck did the loop come from?

[|3200k1]

Okay,I'm not fancied much by scietific things.

I don't think that alot of things need an explination and alot of things need questions asked. But-Alexei- you asking where did the loop come from can be applied to other such things,ne?
-Where did the universe come from?
If you answered the big bang-
-Where did the original bunch of mass that exploded come from? When did nothing become something?
The only answer could possibly be 'Itt always was" so then maybe the loops always were and have always been and that's jsut the way the world works.

I'm not taking side,just entertaining and expressing the thoughfulness I choose to entertain and express. O.o;

[Matt and Areus]

My most favorite things about my religion is the scripture (forgets where) that goes something like "as man is God once was, and how God is man can become." Or something, it's not word for word but you get it the point. What it (I think) entails is that God was something like us way back when, and he lived his life perfect. Maybe he was like the Jesus or something of his planet or... well let's just say his home.

And please don't tell me God (or something like him or his church) is nonexistent. Because let's face it our entire race centers around him, so without God we would be nothing. I (emphasis on I) beleive that regardless of Gods existance we are still nothing without him. There has been not a one society that didn't beleive in a higher being or a grand purpose or something that is like I don't know religiony. So either at one point in time everyone beleived the same thing and eventually drifted apart causing the same doctirine to change and become seporate. Or there can be no society without it (it being religion or something like it.)

Anyway, (apoligises for rant) the point was what if there is a never-ending chain of Gods without beginning or end that repeats itself in an infinite time-loop. (Shady side of our religion that confuses people,) we beleive that we must have been an overall good person that repented of all his (or her, but that is sort of implied) sin and got baptized. Another cool thing about our religion is that dead people can get baptized, but the living have to do it for them with the proper authority and worthiness in a bonofied temple. Then if you go to the Celestial Kingdom (highest level of Heaven) then and only then is that option open to you.

Take in mind that I did not write the book on Mormon beleifs so don't like take to heart anything I said. What I mean by that is don't not join our church soly on the post of a fifteen year old.

Hope all that makes as much sense outside of my head as it did inside. If not then just ask me or ignore it.

Oh and sorry if you don't beleive in God and all, it just is sort of an impossibility in my mind to personally think otherwise. So if this like offends anyone or something, sorry.

That goes for me as well.

[|3200k1]

I like that scripture passage thing... Maybe God is the evolved form of humans,like a higher consciousness.

Anyway, I agree. Wether or not God/s exist (I personally hold the believe that all gods are one god), it's true that societies are based off of them. (I have heard that rice story,too. People-being aware of themselves and the imminet fate of death are seperate from animals and we need to be comfortable and feel secure and safe. That's where the idea of a God must have come from-some way to explain why things happen so we don't feel so "out of the loop" as well as to make us feel better about dying and death and such things. If you think your granny is in heaven and you'll be there when you die, isn't that a bit more reassuring that than "Sorry,the nuerons and electrons that were her mind have died and she's gone and you'll never ever see her again. Goodbye."

[|3200k1]

I hadn't thought about that...I either saw aliens as being so much higher than us spiritually that they would know everything and such and be like mentors, or that they would be super-smart with technology and would come to kill us all. Now I want to meet an alien.