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Post by Matt and Areus on May 8, 2005 17:55:46 GMT -5
I agree immensely, only some of the people I know didn't always feel that way. (Another strange beleif my religion has,) In the Mormon religion we beleive in a planet called Kolob. Kolob is the greatest world one could ever live on, because that planet is closest to God. So for us the ideas of aliens is not that insane, because essentially they're human. Ok that seems kind of dissapointing, but at least it doesn't raise the confusion of alien religion. Oh and according to a nearby scripture to Kolob we are the ones farthest away from God and here is the battle strongest (for our sopuls of course.) How we know this is an interesting story, I would assume most of you know of Joseph Smith, and if you know the full story then all the better. Anyway Joseph Smith was the first of the latter day prophets, he was 14 when he went to a grove of trees to pray and he saw God the father and Jesus Christ showing that they were seporate beings and they both had bodies. So they weren't just fantastical balls of light that could be anywhere and everywhere and everything, and all that stuff. He was given some gold plates that was the doctirine of the Americas, and he was given the power to translate ancient text. Ok now to the interesting story, Joseph was (I assume in a museum, I don't remember where) somewhere when he found a large stone tablet. And the spirit (Holy Ghost) told him that it was another book of Moses and a book of Abraham. He translated it and in which told of Abraham (or Moses, man I really need to read the scriptures more) having a strange dream where he saw a planet called Kolob... COOL!!! I wish I could have a dream in which I saw other planets that was really a vision and not some dream after watching a poorly produced scifi movies. Speaking of strange dreams another prophet in the Book of Mormon saw the American (R)evolution, and that was 2300 years ago. And he saaw our day and called it really, really evil. Which is true, for example; MTV. Need I say more? Heh...
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Post by |3200k1 on May 8, 2005 19:58:35 GMT -5
Wow. I have a friend whose mormon. Isn't that a variation of Christianity? Alot of people make fun of them,but then,alot of people make fun of jews and catholics too. ^^; Just curious,not meaning to be rude.
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Post by Matt and Areus on May 8, 2005 21:45:55 GMT -5
Wow. I have a friend whose mormon. Isn't that a variation of Christianity? Alot of people make fun of them,but then,alot of people make fun of jews and catholics too. ^^; Just curious,not meaning to be rude. Cool. I take no offense whatsoever. (Wow I'm bored .) Ya alot of people have mixed feelings about mormons. Probably because what they hear most about mormons isn't from a mormon, (or a very active one, >_>... <_<...) but that's life... So here are some quick mormon facts. 1. We no longer practice polygamy (at least most of us don't, we're not supposed to. In fact very few members wanted to make that change, our very prophet was reluctant to tell us we had to do it. But when you're kicked out of your home three different times you got to have some measure to comfort the widows and keep our people going.) 2. We do beleive that Joseph Smith was a true prophet caled upon by God. 3.Our official names are The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. 4. Yes we are Christians becuse we deeply beleive in Christ. Any other questions go to our website, it's really cool . But since I somewhat doubt any of you are investigators, just don't look to me as the correct source of Mormon info. Not that I don't know my stuff when it comes to my religion, but like if any of you don't join the church soley on my sayings here today. That would make us very sad .
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Post by |3200k1 on May 9, 2005 14:51:39 GMT -5
I'm pagan and we have spirit guides,animal totem and other animal guides and the like. Daimons fit in there quite nicely.
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Post by Matt and Areus on May 9, 2005 15:18:07 GMT -5
so, how do daemons fit in to...er... mormonism (is that the word?)...are they/anything like them mentioned at any point in the scriptures? What about other religious people...how do daemons fit in with your beliefs? Yeah you got it right, about the word. But to be honest, I don't think dæmons fit in to the grand scheme of things when it comes to mormonism. Not that dæmons don't belong in church and stuff. I just don't think my church would approve or dissaprove. I read His Dark Materials, which only strengthened my beleif that God exists and is good, and started to beleive that having a dæmons isn't so crazy. But this isn't about me so, I do beleive in dæmons and I know that certain times, when we it wasn't necessary to know, my church doesn't tell us things. Like in the 1800's, somewhwere in the 30's or 40's, they told us it was bad to smoke and it was sinful. Then a hundred or so years later scientists told us it was bad for our health. So it's not like the church keeps us in the dark or anything, it just isn't always necessary to know everything. Like Kolob, we know (or have faith in) that it exists, but would it really be necessary for us to live to know everything about it. So maybe dæmons are like that, it isn't necessary for us to know them now, though it is nice, but later in time they will be revealed to us. I haven't exactly prayed to God if Arenia exists because I'm afraid of the answer. I can't exatly go to having the greatest thing in the world to me come and then go because it is nonexistent in the all seeing eyes of the Lord, meaning if God can't see her then nothings to be seen. But for now my theory is Arenia is my light of Christ made known to me as a second consiousness rather than a feeling of joy or guilt. The light of Christ is what Adam and Eve (along with the ability to have kids,) sacrificed the garden of Eden for. the ability to know good from evil. So when you do good you feel happy, and when you do bad you eventually feel some level of guilt. That is the light of Christ in action. Everyone on Earth has the light of Christ, just like everone has a dæmon, coincidence? Well we all have it because it is the strongest weopon that people start out with against Satan, I mean there's the Holy Ghost and endownments and other stuff that is better. But absolutely everyone has the light of christ, not just the converts. So this is probably super long already so I hope that answers your question on what I (emphasis on the fact that I am not a master on all doctirine and beleifs of my own religion,) think about dæmons and Mormonism.
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Post by Annie on May 9, 2005 16:54:00 GMT -5
I read somewhere that in the bible, near the beginning, there was a goddess that was mentioned. Only, I've never heard it anywhere else.
When God says that we can only worship him, does that mean that there are other gods that we could worship? Or is he saying that he is the only one and that it would be pointless to worship a figment of our imagination. Or is God an instinctive creation. Like, we can't live without believing in some higher power, even if it's not really there. Because, if we didn't have something higher to look to, society would crumble. Someone said that already, but it went with what I was saying so.... And if you think about it, God seems controlling and power-hungry. Only worship him. We will only have salvation if we believe in his son. We were created by him to entertain us. I'm not saying that this is true, I believe in a good God, but still. I'm just looking at it from all angles.
Somehow, the thought of parallel universes seems more easy to believe than other life in /our/ universe. I think it would be a complete waste of space and material if we were the only life. But we know things can live on the moon. A fungus was found on a camera that had /grown/ in space. And also, there used to be life on the moon. Tiny microscopic single celled things. But they were alive. Scientists found their fossils in moon rocks. And we know that Mars used to be an earth parallel, even if it was long before life began. And there are trillions of galaxies in the universe. We've only searched in the Milky Way. I'm not sure how people can be skeptical of alien life because there is so much /space/. Imagine being microscopic on a full image of the universe, and being the only life out of the trillions of planets. Who says that it even has to be like earth? Life could learn to breathe methane. Eat dirt. Some scientists think that there could be life under the ice of one of Saturns moons. Because whats under it is water. Wouldnt' that be cool? To have aliens in our own backyard?
I'm rambling aren't I? I'll be quiet now. o.o
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Post by Tatl & Valian on May 9, 2005 17:33:05 GMT -5
About that whole parellel universes/our universe thing is kinda weird, because people mostly just think about _our earth_ being in a parellel universe. I mean, there's probably millions upon millions of differant alien cultures out there, making for infinitely more choices and infinitely different universes.....it's just mind-blowing.
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Post by |3200k1 on May 9, 2005 18:40:23 GMT -5
Who says that it even has to be like earth? Life could learn to breathe methane. Eat dirt. I've thought of that. That happend on Mars Attacks!
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 9, 2005 20:01:32 GMT -5
There actually are certain plants that thrive on poisonous gasses (well, poisonous to us).
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Post by Matt and Areus on May 9, 2005 21:24:50 GMT -5
Well... I myself am only interested in intelligent (wonders if intelligent is spelt right,) life on other planets. Because, although it's cool if they find like a new kind sea weed on another planet, but that really isn't all that cool seeing as the next time that thing evolves we and most everything else will be dead on earth.
And is it really so crazy to beleive that Earth isn't so special on it's life. I myself beleive that humans were made not evolved, so it's weird for me to say this. Anyway what I meant was is it really so crazy to beleive that somewhere out there, there are other humans on other planets, who don't call themselves humans, wondering what other planet's life is like.
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Post by |3200k1 on May 9, 2005 21:37:24 GMT -5
You know what Ive always wondered about evolution? How were certain things naturally selected? Like...eyes. How were little eyeless fishes suddenly given eyes? You don't have anything to be selective of...
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Post by Joshua on May 10, 2005 0:58:53 GMT -5
You know what Ive always wondered about evolution? How were certain things naturally selected? Like...eyes. How were little eyeless fishes suddenly given eyes? You don't have anything to be selective of... To begin with, it really wasn't "sudden". I have recently read an article denouncing creationism and giving a very credible argument for natural selection. It is thought by creationists that complex ocular organs couldn't possibly evolve. The first "eyes" were tiny patches of photo-sensitive cells that would be able to detect light or shadow. I would suppose organisms with the most sensitive patches would survive, passing favourable genes to their descendants. Over thousands of years, these would eventually become pits filled with the cells, allowing the animal to detect the light's direction. The pits would be like the early retina. Possibly, a lens would form over time, further focusing light. I can't really speak for Darwin, because I don't have all the information. EDIT: Here is the aforementioned article. Well, a bit of it. You have to be a registered member to read the whole article. www.discover.com/issues/feb-05/cover/
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Post by |3200k1 on May 10, 2005 8:26:00 GMT -5
To begin with, it really wasn't "sudden". I have recently read an article denouncing creationism and giving a very credible argument for natural selection. It is thought by creationists that complex ocular organs couldn't possibly evolve. The first "eyes" were tiny patches of photo-sensitive cells that would be able to detect light or shadow. I would suppose organisms with the most sensitive patches would survive, passing favourable genes to their descendants. Over thousands of years, these would eventually become pits filled with the cells, allowing the animal to detect the light's direction. The pits would be like the early retina. Possibly, a lens would form over time, further focusing light. I can't really speak for Darwin, because I don't have all the information. EDIT: Here is the aforementioned article. Well, a bit of it. You have to be a registered member to read the whole article. www.discover.com/issues/feb-05/cover/yay! ty! I wasn't a creationist, I've just always been curious about little things like that.
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Essulf
rising dæmian
"We're all mad here..."
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Post by Essulf on May 10, 2005 9:06:41 GMT -5
TOO MUCH DEEP THINKING!!!
Hah, I love deep thinking, thought I may not show it... I guess there's only one solution to this here question of death and all that stuff. Mass suicide and Brooki's house! I'll bring the punch!
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Post by Annie on May 10, 2005 16:43:38 GMT -5
There actually are certain plants that thrive on poisonous gasses (well, poisonous to us). Don't /all/ plants do that? They live on carbon monoxide right? What we breathe out? Whatever it is that we breathe out, they live on it, and it's dangerous to us....so....all plants live on poisonous gas....o.o
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