Amelia
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Amelia + Saquelsis. White dove. White pigeon. White bird.
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Post by Amelia on Sept 20, 2004 21:29:13 GMT -5
The brain is a physical thing, and the consciousness/soul/dæmon is not, right? So then how come diseases like Alzheimer's, with the degeneration of the brain, cause the consciousness to partially or completely disappear? Why does the brain affect the consciousness like that? And where does it go? Is the soul somewhere in between life and death, with the body still living but the soul elsewhere? But if the body isn't dead, the person hasn't died, so....which brings us to the matter of brain-dead people, or someone in a coma.
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Post by SNL_Ali on Sept 20, 2004 23:12:53 GMT -5
Here I go into crazy religious rant again ;D Sorry Amelia.  ANYWAYS, I believe that the mind and the conciousness are seperate. The body can be affected by a disease, but the real person IS in there, just trapped in a sort of cage. They can still feel, even if they can't express that feeling. Our conciousness/soul/whatever you want to call it is like a light in a mirror....you can break the mirror, but you can't stop the light reflecting off of it. Even if that person is limited by a weak and ailing body that makes them loose their memories and go feeble, the soul of that person is still in there, and the only way that can go away is if the person dies. At least thats how I see it anyways....like a bird stuck in a small cage. But thats just me. Hope I helped!  |
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Post by Aleandra on Sept 21, 2004 5:27:09 GMT -5
That's where i'd dissagree with you SNObless.
To me the soul and the brain are different things. They should NOT be mixed up. The brain has a lot to do with consciousness, but we still do not know to what extent. But consiousness is linked to the brain. If not entierly (as it is beleived in some religions), but in a good extent. Consciousness therefore is not to be mixed with the soul.
Mental illnesses are not entierly understood, but the conciousness is affected. But the soul, if you beleive in those (there are some who don't.), would not be affected by anythhing ailing the brain because it is not related to it. It's like saying that the hand would be affected if your feet were wet. It's different things.
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Post by Annie on Sept 21, 2004 18:31:10 GMT -5
The way I see it is that he body is only a link to the physical world. The soul and consiousness both are contained inside this body. The brain is only a tool for the consiousness to use to express ideas and whatnot to the world around it. If this tool was damaged somehow, it makes sense that the memories and things stored in there would be damaged too, so the consiousness would have problems interacting with others. See if you didn't have a brain, then there would be nothing to work out the things around you. Nothing to keep the body alive. If the brain takes in everything, then it would be impossible to be unconsious. Er...I think. See...? Hope I didn't get too confusing. I'm known for confusing even myself!
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Post by SNL_Ali on Sept 21, 2004 21:09:48 GMT -5
That's where i'd dissagree with you SNObless. To me the soul and the brain are different things. They should NOT be mixed up. The brain has a lot to do with consciousness, but we still do not know to what extent. But consiousness is linked to the brain. If not entierly (as it is beleived in some religions), but in a good extent. Consciousness therefore is not to be mixed with the soul. Mental illnesses are not entierly understood, but the conciousness is affected. But the soul, if you beleive in those (there are some who don't.), would not be affected by anythhing ailing the brain because it is not related to it. It's like saying that the hand would be affected if your feet were wet. It's different things. Your'e not dissaggreeing with me--I just typed it out wrong XD THAT and I was mentioning conciousness like it was the soul. I'm sorry my post was so muddled....my main point was that the body and soul are seperate--thats always been what I think. Sorry bout that........we basically have the same viewpoint, my typing skillz are just stinky sometimes. ^_^U |
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Amelia
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Amelia + Saquelsis. White dove. White pigeon. White bird.
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Post by Amelia on Sept 21, 2004 21:32:24 GMT -5
whee! the brain as a focusing tool for consciousness-- I love it! As a skeptic I have not fully embraced it, of course, but it's a great solution to the brain-consciousness, mind-body-soul riddle.
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Post by SNL_Ali on Sept 21, 2004 21:40:05 GMT -5
I love your signature. And yes, I never blame a skeptic. But that solution works for me, anyways. ;D |
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Post by Aleandra on Sept 22, 2004 2:25:10 GMT -5
Oh ok, i thought you had said something else. ^_^
Amelia, consciousness is generated by the brain; that is the scientific thought. Not the other way around. The consciousness using the brain as a tool.
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Post by Okibi on Sept 22, 2004 15:29:00 GMT -5
I think most of us would agree the dæmon is linked to our consciousness (heck, they might as well be everything but our physical bodies - everything that really matters), so if someone was in a coma, their dæmon would be unconscious right there beside them. The dæmon cannot be conscious when the human isn't, or visa versa. (Whenever I say "Rookie is asleep," I literally mean that he's in a deep, relaxed state with his eyes closed. He's not REALLY asleep.)
Also, the dæmon is affected by our physical pains... for some duos it may be more apparent than with others. With us, Rookie almost always grimaces and/or complains about a terrible discomfort more than me. If you're thinking about how much something hurts, your dæmon can't help concentrating on it, too. When I'm physically worn out (and I mean utterly exhausted), Rookie can look even worse than I do. He's taking each painful step with his head hanging... moving at a snail's pace - no vigor left in him. The reason for this is because my "spirits are low" after I've been worked to death. I'm more likely unhappy than happy, and my dæmon reflects this.
For the person in a coma... if their consciousness and link to our world is fading, so is their dæmon. With a dying human laying in a pathetic state in a hospital bed, you have a dying, weak animal for the dæmon. If the brain isn't functioning, then consciousness isn't functioning, then your dæmon isn't functioning.
I agree with Socrates that body and soul are separate, but it can't be denied that the two respond to one another.
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ANYWAYS, I believe that the mind and the conciousness are seperate. The body can be affected by a disease, but the real person IS in there, just trapped in a sort of cage. They can still feel, even if they can't express that feeling. Our conciousness/soul/whatever you want to call it is like a light in a mirror....you can break the mirror, but you can't stop the light reflecting off of it. Even if that person is limited by a weak and ailing body that makes them loose their memories and go feeble, the soul of that person is still in there, and the only way that can go away is if the person dies. At least thats how I see it anyways....like a bird stuck in a small cage. But thats just me. Hope I helped! 
