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Post by |3200k1 on Feb 21, 2005 14:07:43 GMT -5
Yes, that's an awkward one. No, not really. "I was just thinking about that the other day. The golden monkey was looking away too. But Mrs Coulter was bathing Lyra, and if she could see, why couldn't her dæmon? And why would Pan have to look away? He's Lyra's soul. What does she have to hide from him? I never really understood that, but I dismiss at as "Philip Pullman doesn't think as deeply about dæmons as we do". =P"I took it as symbolism. I thought it meant that Mrs. Coulter didn't think of a person's dæmon as part of themself. I was thinking ir of the same way as TU here. xD In saying that it was symbolism. it was symbolism that angered me,but grr.....taht was stupid. 8sigh*it made sense though. ; *goes to look for the quote from TGC*
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Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 21, 2005 16:11:05 GMT -5
no i think it was more like.. ehnnn lyras growing up! she becoming a woman!..be ashamed! it goes back to the whole masturbation/sin/ the church thinking we should feel guilty for everything we do that is actually quite natural. mrs coulter was obviously a firm believer in that what with her cutting/sin expiriements and i think...didnt she look at pan? sortof like..no shes growing up. you arent allowed to see.
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Post by rave & phair on Feb 22, 2005 14:10:20 GMT -5
Q. #1 Darkett perches on the door or the wheelchair rail in public bathrooms; at home he sits on the faucets and preens in the mirror or talks. Q. #2 Does not apply. I am a loser. ^^; Q. #3 In the shower, he's on the rail or the faucets, usually. Or he stays on my shoulder and makes himself /magically/ waterproof. Q. #4 Hah. You're right. It is awkward. He doesn't mind at all, though.
Part of the TGC quote was "feminine mysteries", but that's all I remember. Pan turned away of his own accord because he felt embarassed. Because Mrs. C with with the cutters at that point, it was like subconsicous separation. Settting them up to be cut. Emphasising Pan's gender difference, too. All like, "Lyra's-not-a-girl-not-yet-a-woman-so-avert-your-eyes-'cause-this-is-super-private-chick-stuff." Like Bunny said. </streamofconsciousness-ness>
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Post by Key & Nax on Feb 22, 2005 14:50:36 GMT -5
Heh, I should get around to changing mine I meant to do it ages ago when I learnt that StephXZed's dæmon went by the same nickname and when I realised that I kept mistaking your name for mine. With the Pan-having-to-look-away-from-Lyra thing, I took it as another example of Mrs.Coulter’s attitude towards Dust and Dust-associated themes like growing up, original sin, dæmons, the fall from innocence, modesty and chastity, etc. Viewing the physical body as something shameful. Trying to alienate Pan from Lyra, that sort of thing.
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Post by Ditto on Feb 22, 2005 16:44:56 GMT -5
Q # 1: He usually just sit's on the counter or lay's down on the floor while chatting away to me. Q # 2: o_0 Umm I've never kissed anyone outside of my family(Thank goodness...) but I guess I'd unproject him. Q # 3:When I'm in the shower Makoro is usually in his black cabbit form sitting on the rail, talking to me. Once he did sit on the little counter where all the soaps and what not were, but then he stopped. (He was complaning that the water was getting him wet...Can it even MAKE him wet? XD) Q # 4: Bah, I don't really care. He's my soul I guess it just doesn't matter much to me.
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Post by Annie on Feb 22, 2005 18:36:46 GMT -5
The most recent question really is akward. Wei don't care. It's almost like the shower question. Everyone's daemon seems to be around them and talking to them while they are in the shower, and I doubt anyone showers in clothes. =P But neither of us cares if he sees me naked. It's not a big deal. He's me and I see me naked and that's not a big deal (it would be wierd if it was) so; therefore, it isn't weird for us. =)
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Post by Yumi on Feb 22, 2005 23:34:14 GMT -5
Hmm...the fourth question is an unusual one. We've never actually though about it, really; if Kar's always been with me, then she already knew what I looked like even before I knew that she was there to know. So it just hasn't mattered. *shrugs* And even if it had, it's not like I wouldn't end up seeing her naked at some point or another anyway, so what's the point of making it into an issue? It'd take more work than it would be worth to avoid looking at her when she's changing clothes or something.
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Post by Kaye&Lanh on Feb 23, 2005 6:43:53 GMT -5
Bathroom- I usually don't worry about him when I'm in the bathroom... But he's laying in the sink... Kissing- It would have applied if I had known Lanh a while ago..... but it doesn't really apply anymore. Shower- He's always on the shower-railing pole thing. And with the naked thing- I'm not really projecting him... but he's me, so it doesn't really matter.
New Question! If dæmons were physical, and you change for gym/PE, what would you think of that?
ok, that sounds weird... but translation: not only would you have to change infront of peers, but you'd have to change in front of dæmon. Who aren't changing, and really don't have anything else to do...
And if you don't understand it, just ignore it... cuz I can't really understand how it's worded...
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Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 23, 2005 9:48:54 GMT -5
Naked eh? I guess hed do what i do- admire myself.
Hmm..changing for gym..i guess hed be doing what im doing...admiring myself
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on Feb 23, 2005 12:54:04 GMT -5
I don't take gym, but I guess it could be a bit unnerving.
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Post by Spiral Sun on Feb 23, 2005 15:32:02 GMT -5
I don't do sport (gym) anymore either, but I think that I'd be most disturbed by the fact that everyone else's dæmons are hanging around and while there human isn't watching you, the dæmon would be. When we used to get changed for sport we got changed in the toilets so while most girls got changed together in the space where the taps are others (always me) got changed in the actual cubicals.
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Post by |3200k1 on Feb 23, 2005 15:58:56 GMT -5
Oh I had gym,but was done withit before I met Nemith! However, I,like Spiral, always got dressed in the actual bathroom stalls. ;;
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Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 23, 2005 16:13:54 GMT -5
you know..things are only awkward if you make them that way.
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Post by Cat on Feb 23, 2005 16:15:41 GMT -5
Oh I had gym,but was done withit before I met Nemith! However, I,like Spiral, always got dressed in the actual bathroom stalls. ;; Haha, me too. x) I think if dæmons were physical and we were in that kind of situation, Pocket would just modestly lower his head and try not to make anyone too uncomfortable. And probably, other dæmons would be doing the same, or talking to each other. It wouldn't be /too/ bad, I suppose, because most of the dæmons at least would be male, and thus attracted to female dæmons, right?
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Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 23, 2005 16:19:42 GMT -5
or so you would hope, it seems. i think everyone should be open to everyone else. you know, like raise boys and girls like theres no difference between them. people can love people. kissing is kissing and love is love. why restrict people and condition them to feel bad for natural feelings? ..what im saying is, you have no idea who those daemons would be attracted to . And I know what my daemon would be doing. Checking people out so he could talk about them later.
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