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Feb 24, 2005 21:44:24 GMT -5
Post by xpinkravenx on Feb 24, 2005 21:44:24 GMT -5
Sorry, but I think this daemon thing is kinda weird. Like, don't you think it's weird that there's this thing following you around telling you what to do? and if it is you, isn't that schitzophrenic? will you like start talking to your daemon to much and neglect your friends and family, sry, it just seems like this thing is weird and kinda....creepy.
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Feb 24, 2005 22:00:20 GMT -5
Post by J and Captiosus on Feb 24, 2005 22:00:20 GMT -5
I'm STILL a bit skeptical about some of this daemon thing, but Capt and I are close and I've had him for the longest time, and he helps me and I think he's actually good for my mentality. Now that I have him, it'll be hard to get rid of him. Before, I had to, like, concentrate on talking to him, but now he just...appears naturally. Also, it's not schizophrenics because schizes can't discern reality from what's only going on in their head. Some of the people here can be a bit, er, zealous, even for my tastes, but really, what's the difference between believing in daemons and reverse roles in other worlds than beliving in say, God, except the popularity of the belief?
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Feb 24, 2005 22:29:26 GMT -5
Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 24, 2005 22:29:26 GMT -5
sorry, but i think your kinda immature. You also clearly know nothing about schizophrenia. Its not some little thing following you around whispering in your ear. You watch too many cartoons I think. I dont think its any weirder than believing in higher entities. my question is, if its so creepy-why are you here? To learn more? Are you intrigued by this 'weird' phenomen? I doubt it, because the best to learn is to ask questions. And ' dont you think this is weird' doesnt count.
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Feb 24, 2005 22:32:00 GMT -5
Post by J and Captiosus on Feb 24, 2005 22:32:00 GMT -5
sorry, but i think your kinda immature. You also clearly know nothing about schizophrenia. Its not some little thing following you around whispering in your ear. You watch too many cartoons I think. I dont think its any weirder than believing in higher entities. my question is, if its so creepy-why are you here? To learn more? Are you intrigued by this 'weird' phenomen? I doubt it, because the best to learn is to ask questions. And ' dont you think this is weird' doesnt count. Actually, it's a good question. I think it can provoke a discussion.
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Feb 24, 2005 22:41:05 GMT -5
Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 24, 2005 22:41:05 GMT -5
provoke a discussion, perhaps, but it is a poor question. its childish and poorly put forth. What is she really asking here?
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Feb 24, 2005 22:54:07 GMT -5
Post by J and Captiosus on Feb 24, 2005 22:54:07 GMT -5
Yes, she could have put it a bit better, but it was a question that needed to be asked. And believe me, I was close to asking it.
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Feb 24, 2005 22:55:47 GMT -5
Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 24, 2005 22:55:47 GMT -5
I definetly disagree, but whatever. I guess pinkraven makes the next move.
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Feb 24, 2005 22:57:24 GMT -5
Post by J and Captiosus on Feb 24, 2005 22:57:24 GMT -5
He might liken daemons to imaginary friends...but they're not .There's nothing wrong with personifying your conscience and soul to make it more tangible. If you want to discuss this, Bunny, I can argue both sides. I can argue both sides to any argument.
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Feb 24, 2005 23:01:35 GMT -5
Post by cock of teh walk on Feb 24, 2005 23:01:35 GMT -5
I would discuss it, if i had a stronger opinion on either side here. Whose to say whats right and wrong? Im sure pinkraven...( who i thought was a girl but whatev ) ... didnt mean to start a discussion here. I think they just wanted to state they thought daemons were weird. Well who cares what you think ?
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Yumi
dæmian
Human - Yumi ~ Daemon - Eikara (official* cieday - 1/14/05)
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Feb 25, 2005 7:36:25 GMT -5
Post by Yumi on Feb 25, 2005 7:36:25 GMT -5
I think that the closest comparison to conversing with one's daemon as another side of yourself (at least that I can come up off the top of my head at the moment) is roleplaying. I can look at situations from my characters' points of view, and because I make characters who share qualities with me, it serves as a way to explore other potential sides of myself. I more or less take facets of myself, magnify them, and say, "Now, how would I act if I thought the way she/he did?" Doing that doesn't mean that I'm going to act that way, though. Regardless to how easy it is to put myself in my characters' shoes, I don't lose sight of who I am. In the end, it's just a game, simply something I do for fun, and I don't let it dictate things...at least, not beyond, "Okay, I have to sit down and write now, I have posts to answer."
The tie between Kara and myself is the same, in some ways. She really is like another side of myself...but not a completely seperate personality that I've adopted. Her mannerisms, ways of thinking, and traits point out to me those elements of my own personality that I don't express. Some of them are qualities that would be helpful to adopt, and others are things that I'm glad I don't do, but they're there, no matter what. Whether I believed in daemons or not, those personality traits would still be a part of me; the difference would be that I wouldn't be as aware of them. Knowing that underneath my normal calm, cool exterior is a side that would just love to let loose and have road rage is helpful, because it keeps me from fooling myself about that aspect of me. Having Kara as a 'seperate' entity from myself lets me vent at those times while still retaining my calm and focus, and without having to repress that frustration and pretend that I don't feel anything at all.
As for neglecting my friends or family to spend time with my daemon, I can say for a fact that it doesn't happen to me. It's more the opposite; talking with Kara can be useful and fun, but when I'm spending time with my loved ones, my attention is primarily on them, not on her. I don't forget about her completely, but she becomes more of a background presence. I'll drop conversations with her to talk with my friends, family members, or significant other without a moment's hesitation, because her presence hasn't altered their importance in my life. Without them, I wouldn't be here, and we both know that.
And Kara doesn't control me, or my thoughts or actions. True, she makes it hard for me to ignore her comments, but in the end, she doesn't force me to do things. I can choose to listen to every word she says and then do the exact opposite, if I really want to...but I don't, because in general the things she bugs me about not doing are bad habits anyway. For example, I'll need to step away from the computer to do something, and she will bother me about getting this other task done, just to be sure I don't get so wound up in my normal procrastinator ways that I forget to do it. But she can say, "Go on and do it now," and I can blow her off and not do it for another hour. And it's not like she's telling me to do things that go against my morals. I'm the one that ultimately decides what I do and don't do, no one else, and I would never point to some outside force and say "they made me do it!" unless I was literally being held at gunpoint or there was a knife to my throat. (And even then, I could always opt not to do what they wanted...but the concequinces of that wouldn't be ones that I would like.)
Sure, it's possible to start acting different because of having a daemon, and in negative ways, but that can happen with anything. Someone can get obsessed with a form of media that it becomes the center of their existance. A romantic relationship can become so consuming that the people involved exclude the rest of the world constantly, only focusing on each other. A group of friends or a family can be a harmful influence, hurting others and each other. People can convert to religions and become fanatics, or use their beliefs as a tool to control others. But on the flip side, there are good sides to all of these things. TV, games, books and other hobby-related things are relaxing, enjoyable, and good ways to make connections with those with similar interests. Having a loved one can be a great experience, opening a door to emotional depths that are like none other, and the support that can be found in a healthy, open relationship is wonderful. True friends and a loving family are both priceless things, something that can make life worth living when things are at their worst. Some people's lives are much better after finding a religious system that they believe in, and they do good things for others.
Though I know that I might offend someone - or sound like I'm contradicting myself - by saying this, in the end, daemons are what we believe them to be, nothing less, and nothing more unless we let it. If we didn't believe in them, it wouldn't matter whether they truly existed or not, because it's our minds that cause them to be what they are. True, some things feel more natural than others, but if you really want to see your daemon as something else, can't you? With time, it becomes natural to be with your daemon, but you didn't miss him or her before you knew her. I know that it's quite possible that I'm making Kara up, that she doesn't exist anywhere besides my own head. But then, some people would say the same thing about souls in general, or angels, or spirits, or deities. My daemon is my soul, there is an organizing force to the universe, it's a load of crap that a so-called loving being can let horrible things happen to people and not do anything about it...all of those things are true to me, but I can't prove them. I think they're true because of two things: 1) I think that they can be/want them to be and 2) They make sense to me.
I know that for some, it may seem that this is a strange way to believe in things - with the constant knowledge in the back of my head that it could be wrong - but it works for me. My daemon knows that I don't have complete and utter faith in her existance, and that's fine, because I never have faith in anything until it's worked for me. I give things the benefit of the doubt - rather like trusting people to keep their word - but it's rare for me to not question something that I've haven't experienced yet. The reason why I first thought about my own daemon was curiosity; when I realized that I was actually able to envision this, and that it had the potential to be a positive experience for me, I went with it. What it comes down to, personally, is what I feel works best for me; what helps me and what doesn't. For whatever reason, knowing Kara helps me, so I want others to get to know their daemons too, in hopes that it will also help them, but there's a limit to how far I'd go. I would never force my view onto another person, because maybe acting as if they had a daemon wouldn't work for that person. Maybe it would be harmful. I don't know that. I can guess, I can suggest things that I know have helped me in the past or present, but that's it. Since it hasn't harmed me, I believe...and in the end, there are so many things in this world that can't be proven that I don't think there's a point in my deciding not to believe in anything. For example, how do we know that emotions are real? Because we feel them? But we can't touch them, or smell them, or see them...so how do we know that we're not just imagining our own feelings? We don't, really, but in the end, our opinion that they do exist is so powerful that they are real for us. Who's to say that it's wrong or right to be that way about daemons? Certainly not me.
And now that I've managed to ramble on and get semi-off topic, I'm going to stop now. (Oh, and that comment about emotions might seem strange...but I almost made it about life instead. "How do we know that we're alive right now, that anything that we can experience even exists? We could be figments of someone else's imaginations, for all we know." That's along the lines of what I was going to say, but I thought I'd leave a bit of my philosophical musings out of it, since I've talked for more than long enough already.)
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Feb 25, 2005 7:47:56 GMT -5
Post by xpinkravenx on Feb 25, 2005 7:47:56 GMT -5
Actually, I belive in dæmons, but my friends was worried about me and so i needed some posts to quote.
Thanx, Yumi. ^_^
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Feb 25, 2005 10:29:20 GMT -5
Post by |3200k1 on Feb 25, 2005 10:29:20 GMT -5
Actually, I belive in dæmons, but my friends was worried about me and so i needed some posts to quote. Thanx, Yumi. ^_^ *anime fall* You could've said that and we would've still been able to help.....
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Does this form bear finality?
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Feb 25, 2005 22:13:19 GMT -5
Post by Dan on Feb 25, 2005 22:13:19 GMT -5
Yeah, agreed, why don;t you tell us next time, that way people who didn't see that you actually believe lower down won't get a bad impression of you.
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Feb 26, 2005 11:41:34 GMT -5
Post by rave & phair on Feb 26, 2005 11:41:34 GMT -5
Wow. Baad first impression. (though it provoked interesting debate)
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Feb 26, 2005 18:07:44 GMT -5
Post by Spiral Sun on Feb 26, 2005 18:07:44 GMT -5
*anime sweat drop* Yumi you can type a lot! But that long post seems to be just what was needed. Yeah, pinkraven elaboration is always needed in posts since despite how hard I (& most of us?) try I can't read other's minds. Maybe try re-introducing yourself ^-^
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