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Post by Spiral Sun on May 11, 2005 23:14:56 GMT -5
Woah, a lot happens in a month. Where did our happy forum go? Will someone be nice and point me in the direction of a few particular threads to read. Who is this "Kate" person? From the sounds of it she really ticked off Ghost for her to start acting like she used too.
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Post by SNL_Ali on May 11, 2005 23:28:33 GMT -5
Kate is a fairly new member who has strong opinions. A few members didn't really like those opinions or how heated she got in an argument, and from what I see Ghost did not have a good reason to make such an awful and dispicable post. I consider Kate a good friend--and am disgusted (though not surprised) that Ghost would go back to her old ways of doing harmful things to people who didn't deserve it. But the subject matter isn't really Kate--she was victimized no matter what, and we shouldn't be focusing on whether people freaking LIKE her or not, but on what actually happened and how people on this forum reacted to it. My opinion....sorry...
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Post by Spiral Sun on May 12, 2005 0:15:06 GMT -5
I've read a few of her posts now and I don't agree with all her opinions, but what Ghost did was certinally out of line. If the issue is how people reacted to it then I guess everyone has just got short tempers recently. It seems that when we go through a rough patch on the forum it's when a few people are on edge. I only think that because there are times when I come on the forum in a really bad mood, but because I don't get ticked off at people here, I calm down. But if something like this came up I might even join in if I was really pissed off. But I'm not saying that it justifies their actions, I'm just saying that we all have our rough patches. I do feel sorry for Kate, I think it was more the wrong place at the wrong time and the wrong words used. But it wasn't her fault. That's just my evaluation of things, and don't worry about expressing your opinions Ali, it's nice to know what other people think It's just when they become forceful in their beliefs that things go wrong.
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Post by Kate and Kael on May 12, 2005 6:19:01 GMT -5
I do have a hot temper and powerful opinions. When I wish to express my view, I do tend to over-do it, but that's how I've always been. It's not the right attitude to have on a forum, but I forget sometimes that the people behind the posts have feelings the same as I do. And when I disagree, I disagree hard.
However.
Every post I made, it felt like, on ANY subject, Ghost had something rude or condescending or hateful or sarcastic to say, and I am not the sort of person to ignore any kind of disrespect, no matter where it occurs or in what form. And I did send her a PM or two telling her (in very unfriendly terms) to leave me ALONE. I felt attacked, and so I attacked back. Ghost and Brooke especially seemed to have it out for me, and so I reacted instead of just ignoring the antagonism. This is probably what led Ghost to make her disgusting post, and that is when I blew up because nobody has a right to make any sort of slanderous post about someone else. I never made an anti-Ghost campaign, and had no intention to. Yes, I hated her violently, but any hatred I had would be toward her, and not spread out to others in this forum. She tried to stain my name and this was unacceptable. I never said I could 'do something', but I did demand that others back off. And I was not friendly about it. I was angry, I was disgusted, and it seems there are only four people here who actually agree with me on anything. Which is why I intend to leave the forum for an extended period; I'm not well-liked, I'm argumentative, and people just can't stand it when someone's opinion differs from their own and then that individual has the nerve to argue a point. Evidently I misunderstood something, and debating isn't allowed. Upsets the majority. And of course the majority is always right, it would seem. And I will not be ganged up on by Ghost, Brooke, or anyone else here. I can and will remove myself from that particular situation. I apologize for the fur I've rubbed the wrong way, but I will not apologize for any harsh words I've dealt because at the time I meant them, and will certainly not take them back. I feel that I have been treated unfairly, even for having a hot temper and very strong opinions. When Okibi told me to tone it down, I tried, and Ghost and Brooke were still rude to me in other posts I'd made, showed no tolerance whatsoever, and ultimately Ghost did what she did. And I will not be around for another attack like that. If that's the type of immaturity and disrespect I am to expect and tolerate on this forum, then I'd as well just leave. I'm sure the majority will be pleased, and my friends know where to reach me.
'Bye everybody.
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Post by Vicky on May 12, 2005 8:13:43 GMT -5
Hating someone you barely know in one little forum (no matter how freakin' awesome the forum!) is pretty silly. Just ignore them
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Post by Leah on May 12, 2005 15:04:15 GMT -5
I agree that Ghost had no right to take it out on other people, but she obviously does have problems. So can we not call her a suicidal freak? I don't feel comfortable, as I've had a couple friends who have that problem.
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 12, 2005 15:23:20 GMT -5
I'm pissed with Ghost, too. You don't know how much I want her gone. You're not the only one Okibi reprimanded in regards to Ghost.
I for one have never done anything hateful to you, The only thing I ever did was try to tell you to be calm. I've never been against you. I've always been against Ghost. I've never been against anybody except Ghost, and it'll stay that way.
Okibi's tried to eject Ghost, but it doesn't work. If it were me, though, I'd never have stopped trying. I hope Okibi knows that Ghost chased Kate off, and I hope she does something about it, as she told me she would. However, she has yet to do it. Y'know what? I'll just go out and say it, I've lost my faith in you, Okibi. I hold people to what they say. I'm not inviting enmity, just saying that I no longer believe you capable.
Wait, I trailed off. Anywho, Kate, I don't want to see you leave.
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Post by t o n i + r i n t o on May 12, 2005 15:37:07 GMT -5
I don't want to see you leave either, Kate. You are way nicer than Ghost! What Ghost did was horrible, and I was confused for a while as to what was actually going on in that thread, but when I finally got the picture I stayed out of the way. I'm glad Ghost is gone, though I don't know her that well. She seems very arrogant and immature though. If she didn't like Kate she should have just stayed out of her way, not made a flame board.
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Post by Annie on May 12, 2005 16:05:06 GMT -5
I was getting used to Ghost. The people here are like my family, and every family has some nut, but they are family, so you tolerate it. That's how it is for me. At first I didn't like Ghost at all. I couldn't stand her, but when she stopped being so vulgar, and actually had some genuine posts, my respect for her rose. I can't say I'll miss her, but it will be different.
And Kate. I like Kate. She stands up for her beliefs, and does't back down. Do you know how hard it is to do that sometimes? Even if I didn't agree with some of it, I still admired her for her courage. I mean, everyone's entitled to their own oppinion. Maybe I'm just more open minded about that kind of stuff than other people. It seems to be like that a lot at school and stuff. People just can't handle when other people dont' agree with them. Kate was very forceful about her oppinions, but she didn't force them on us. She just made absolute certain that her point got across. And maybe she was a bit harsh about it, but I really don't have a problem with it. But I tend to prefer being neutral. I don't like one side or the other. Generally that is. Since I'm (forsome reason) very good at seeing something from many angles, it's hard for me to feel completely one way about something. Maybe that's good, maybe that's bad. I really don't know. And I really don't care. Perhaps we could all think about why the other person has said what they did. Empathy. That's what it is. I'm empathetic. Being empathetic has it's advantages. Seeing as I have niether attacked, nor been attacked, it does serve a pupose.
Maybe a bit of respect, from all members, would help. I dont' blame anyone for being disrespectful, because a lot of times you don't know that you are. But the other people see it, and take offense. If you don't mean any disrespect and someone confronts you about it, don't attack back. It just makes things worse. And if you have to argue, either PM, or ask someone to help you get along.
And for all you short tempered people, don't leap before you look. I know I've done that many times before, and it got me in a heck of a lot of trouble. Even if you feel it is justified think about what will happen before you act. Hard, I know, but I taught myself how to be patient, so you guys probably can too. Though I still suffer from rage outbursts at times, I can handle myself. I just find it polite, and respect is a big thing with me.
So, that was my rant. Purely my opinion. I'm not trying to single anyone out, and I'm not blaming anyone, though clearly things could have been handled differently between Ghost and Kate. But, things happen. It's in the past. You can't go back and change it now. So don't dwell in the past. Think about now and the future. Now is what you can work with, and the future is something you can change.
So if you will please keep that in mind, I will take my leave from this thread.
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Post by Okibi on May 12, 2005 16:26:46 GMT -5
TU, I'd already banned Ghost before you posted in this thread... And you must understand that because Ghost has dial-up, her IP address changes every time she gets online. If I blocked her username, she created a new one. If I blocked an IP address, it only kept her away for maybe half an hour. If I blocked her email address, she would use a different one. And even when she used the same one, she was still able to re-register somehow. Part of the problem was/is Proboards inferiority, but I'm confident that at the new forums, even if she uses dial-up, I could ban her for good. I'm sorry, but Ghost is a little... messed up... and even when we deleted every single post she made she kept at it, and it didn't seem to be worth all the trouble it caused - especially since she'd cooled down for the time being, under that RabbitSpork username. But that thread about Kate proved she is NOT going to change, and I don't want her here. Again, I'm sorry if you feel I didn't stick to my promise. Maybe I didn't... but I felt it was too harsh to ban her over a few insignificant things, or... attempt to. =/ It made this job more teadious than enjoyable. People are going to have their arguments, and you wouldn't want me casting out everyone who got into a debate, so I let some things slide. But Ghost's last thread was completely uncalled for, and I banned her the moment I saw it.
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 12, 2005 16:34:05 GMT -5
Okay. But remember, tedious works both ways.
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Post by KK on May 12, 2005 16:42:12 GMT -5
Part of the problem was/is Proboards inferiority, but I'm confident that at the new forums, even if she uses dial-up, I could ban her for good. Oh, yeah, proboards is getting an upgrade! They seem to be doing it in order of domain numbers (proboards1 was first, then proboards2 etc). I think they're up to 7 or 8 now. Each upgrade lasts about a day, so we should be getting ours in a few weeks (of course, the foum will be down for a day or so). On the subject at hand, I saw ghost's thread, the one about the baby, and it was waaay out of line, even though I wasn't to familiar with Kate. Ghost has always kind of annoyed me, even though I haven't been here very long. Mainly it's her lack of proper grammar, but some of poinless posts tick me off. I've been especially pissed off at her ever since she tried to kill of my character in the rpg for no reason whatsoever, and got that huge pic in her signature. Ghost is fine as long as she stays in line, but when she gets pointless and annoying, she irritates me like nothing else. On a weird side note, I had a dream last night where I blew ghost up with a bomb. EDIT: I've been hanging around a forum that just got the new proboards upgrade, and it's pretty cool! There's a quick reply box now, so you don't have to click a link to reply (but you can't use smileys or colors unless you know the codes by heart). When you log in for the first time after the upgrade, you have to do the activation password thing and put in your birthday. You can also post attachments and some other stuff I haven't found out yet. EDITING THE EDIT: Oh, and there's spellcheck! Very good for perfectionists, and just about everyone.
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Post by Kleo and sabz on May 12, 2005 17:25:03 GMT -5
Hi forum peeps um ok first of all an appoligy for calling ghost a suicidle freak[/b I didn't think it would be an issue but hey every one has an oppinion. Actually i didn't think at all but kate you really shouldn't leave and i wish us to be friends so tell cat to give me your email adress. How ghost keeps coming back when she knows she is unwanted is beyond me but she still does. Cat warned me that ghost might try to go after me but I really couldn't care less. I really hope that ghost is not told about the new forum by any of her followers. How could you guys think she had changed remember that post she put about Cat, and yet you still think she is cool becauuse of her sick trade mark polls. Okibi should not have to be held responcible for the actions of another member (ie. GHOST). Okibi is the reason for our daemon world forum and without her I doubt this forum would ever have been made. I'm appauld how can you people even dare blame Okibi when ghost is the one who won't stay gone remember the posts she made about okibi and some other members. Kate should stay and ghost should go. This is not a threat but ghost if your reading this under some deranged name, and decide that i'm your next victim then be afraid be very afraid. For when you mess with me the conciquences are dire. this wolfer is a triple threat
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 12, 2005 17:31:57 GMT -5
Okibi is the reason for our daemon world forum and without her I doubt this forum would ever have been made. Sorry to disappoint you, but before finding this place, I was going to make a forum of my own for dæmons.
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Post by Kleo and sabz on May 12, 2005 17:38:19 GMT -5
Ok no dissapointment but wouldn't you have been stressed out with the whole ghost situation if it was happening on your forum. So tell me how would you have reacted if there was no way to get rid of the undead ghost? I just ask you to concider that before playing the blame game with Okibi as the victim
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