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Post by rave & phair on Apr 28, 2005 13:52:28 GMT -5
So when someone's in a coma, their dæmon's awake but they're not? Cool stuff.
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Post by Sil and Veil on Apr 28, 2005 20:34:19 GMT -5
I don't think Veil is off... But I take medication for all my problems. So I'm not sure.
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Post by Kiba on Apr 29, 2005 6:29:12 GMT -5
Yes, I believe people with mental disorders would have off-dæmons. Even small disorders. It just wouldn't be as readily apparent. And while we're talking about it, Callida changes color with my moods, whether it is bright orange with a bright red tail tip when I'm happy, orange with black streaks in her fur and a black tail tip when I'm angry, or different shades of brown while depressed depending on the level of depression. Kind of like a moode ring... but not realy
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on Apr 29, 2005 19:44:26 GMT -5
I guess you could see it that way.
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Post by Alexei & Kryii on Apr 30, 2005 19:05:14 GMT -5
Not to try and burst any bubbles or hurt anyone's feelings or anything like that, but who here has worked with and knows a large range of disabled people?
I sometimes think that a lot of these people would have dæmons who do not even settle. They remain so innocent, so much like children. And you can't simply say "physical, period" or "mental, that's it." It goes deeper.
The physical disorder of Down Syndrome results in a certain kind of personality in everyone I've ever met who has it. Not to say they are all identical or even that their dæmons are the same, but at the same time... they would all be within a certain range of dæmons.
People with CP--Cerebral Palsey--have varied effects from it, ranging from barely noticable to extreme, near comatose. But most of those I have met are very distinct personalities, and I can't see their dæmons as "hurt" or "different" becasue they are "not quite right."
On the other hand, some disorders, especially Alzeihmers and Paranoid Scizophrenia and Bi/polar are big on personality changes or differences. I think they would be reflected by the dæmon, but at the same time... it wouldn't be "he's nuts, so his dæmon crow has no feathers" or anything like that. Only when it gets all-consuming, completly destructive would the "bad" results occur... think of "A Beautiful Mind" when he goes off of the meds.
But I can't see a total change and disfigurment in a dæmon based on such disorders. And as far as the dæmon "balancing" them... if that occured, why is it that there are people with disorder listed above or not named that have NO conscience at all? They simply DO NOT KNOW that they are doing wrong. Do they, therefore, lack a soul?
I don't know...
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Post by emily on Apr 30, 2005 19:33:33 GMT -5
You're right, I shouldn't really be speculating if I don't have any personal experience on the matter.
Except Alzeihmer's, my poppy had it. My nanny also had it, but she died from something else before it /really/ got ahold of her. I don't know what happened to my poppy's daemon, but I know she wouldn't have been the same at the end.. he wasn't the person he used to be at all. I'm thinking she kind of... went to sleep or something. I don't think it would have been something like a 'crow with no feathers,' as you said. But I don't know.
In HDM, didn't Pullman connect spectres to mental illness, like Will's mom? I can't quite remember.
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Post by Alexei & Kryii on Apr 30, 2005 19:37:16 GMT -5
That's something I was thinking about, too. People who are touched by Specters and lose their dæmon start acting like Will's Mom, but even more so. I'm not sure how far Pullman wanted to take it, though, since he never really elaborated past that, right? But that is a good point...
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Post by |3200k1 on Apr 30, 2005 21:15:31 GMT -5
My grandmother has diabetes and she's kind of.....lost it now. It's sad,but she's moved from being crazy-ish to falling into a deep depression. I was always thinking that maybe she was a crow,but then I was thinking maybe a fighting cock (rooster,you pervs), but now.....maybe back to a crow. I'm not sure,but it's really sad.
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Post by Alexei & Kryii on Apr 30, 2005 21:27:56 GMT -5
Yeah. My Grandmother has Parkinsons really bad, though apparently not quite the same strength as Michael J. Fox's. Never-the-less, she's beed going downhill for years, and after a bad fall a few back, she's become very out of it. And that is dragging Grandpa down, too. *sigh*
My other Grandmother, who had emphesima, went totally paranoid the last couple of months. My Great Grandmother, however, was friggen strong willed and never declined mentally. She was as sharp at 101 as most people I know at 15, or 20, or 30. Then, you've her sister, who has Alzheimers and almost no mind left, but mowed her own yard with a push mower until 94 or 95. And let me tell you, her push mower was hard to use. I couldn't do it.
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Post by emily on Apr 30, 2005 21:59:36 GMT -5
Wow. The lawnmower thing is amazing. When my poppy deteriorated he couldn't walk or talk or feed himself or anything. That's why I think his daemon was unconscious or unaware or something, wouldn't she help him? It was really sad, but my nanny was into the home faithfully everyday to feed him his lunch because the nurses didn't care about him and they'd rush him.
And then when he died she was totally lost, and everything just started going downhill. She started forgetting things and then her personality really changed. She was all rebellious and guarded, not at all like the funny easy-going person she used to be. It was getting to the point where she couldn't live in the house any more and stuff. I don't really know what would have been going on with her daemon, I don't think he would've changed forms, but the temperment would've changed I'm sure. She had lung cancer, it turned out, and she died at Christmas. I think she was just relieved, anyway.
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on May 3, 2005 18:52:56 GMT -5
My Great Grandmother, however, was friggen strong willed and never declined mentally. Ditto for my great grandmother. Except for the last month or so of her life, she stayed strong. She died at 92, I believe.
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Post by Annie on May 5, 2005 14:26:51 GMT -5
My great grandmother is still alive. o.o SHe's 90 something. It's because my grandmother is her oldest child, who she had at about 30, and my mom had me when she was about 20 so...I don't remember how old my grandmother was when my mom was born. Early 20s I'd assume.
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Post by Zoe 'n' Calosta on May 6, 2005 9:49:08 GMT -5
My great grandmother is 84 and she's totally lost it. I do volunteer work at her psychiatric hospital and it makes me sad that she can't even remember her own name, she doesn't recognize pictures of her husband and she calls my grandfather either Tom or Robert, Robert was her son who committed suicide and she can't even remember it
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Post by |3200k1 on May 6, 2005 12:49:08 GMT -5
The one thing i really don't want to happen to me is to lose my memory like that. i would honestly rather die..it'd be like feeling your own self slip away. unless you didn't realizing it was happening. Then it would only be those around you who realized a part of you was slipping away.
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Post by Annie on May 6, 2005 16:43:12 GMT -5
That must be depressing. That's horrible. I'd rather die too. I don't care if I was oblivious to it. If I started calling my husband the name of my child who commited suicide.....When I get old, I'm going to tell people to just kill me if I ever start being like that.
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