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Post by J and Captiosus on Apr 27, 2005 22:58:44 GMT -5
Capt is long gone, but my interest in daemons live on, and I thought you lot might be interested in this, but I think there's already been a post on it already. Anyway, it's Jung's archetpye of the Anima or Animus, and it has a bit in common with a daemon.
The Anima Or Animus The second most prevalent potential patterning is that of the Soul (Anima is the male name for soul; Animus is the female name for soul). Here we meet our inner opposite. Males meet their Anima; females their Animus. The Anima may appear as an exotic dancing girl or a weathered old hag--the form generally reflects either the condition or the needs of our soul presently. Remember the wicked witch encountered by Hanzel and Gretel. The Animus may appear as an exotic, sensual, young man or as an old grouch. Remember the Great Oz who ran the Emerald City? There is always Simon Legree who took in Little Eva. Consider Super Man and Lois Lane. Clark Kent is the inferior, shadow side of Super Man, but he is also closer to ordinary people. Lois Lane has no interest in Clark. She is infatuated with Super Man, her Animus; the masculine completion of her personality. Wonder Woman offers us an example of the Anima in action.
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Post by cock of teh walk on Apr 27, 2005 23:05:01 GMT -5
a BIT?! Hes fucking spelled it out for us. This is an enlightening moment for me.
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Post by Kate and Kael on Apr 28, 2005 4:43:04 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's an exact representation. There's a similarity, but a daemon that appears in human form gives me the sick willies. Also, that particular definition says that the Anima or Animus 'generally reflects either the condition of the needs of our soul presently.' That suggests that as our needs change, thus so does our soul. If you take change literally, that would mean that our soul, our daemon, never settles. And this isn't true. A daemon always settles, even if we continue to project them as other animals (I.E. changelings.) Also, it suggests the Anima or Animus as a seperate entity. Super Man was not born with a soul bond to Lois Lane. Nor was Oz born as a soul bound to Dorothy. This reminds me more of a spirit totem than anything, because the animus/ma seems to appear more when a person needs them only, rather than is with them constantly. And we should love our daemons whether they're playing hero when we're at our most desperate or just by our side in pure good will and companionship. Love Clark Kent AND Super Man. Still, it's an interesting theory, and there -are- some similarities with the daemon idea. But animals are, in many ways, much better representations of our souls than another human. Symbolism and marked traits and all that.
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Post by cock of teh walk on Apr 28, 2005 6:27:49 GMT -5
But his version makes more sense. People here have already commented that their daemons looks change depending on how they feel inside ( like they want to melt into the ground and dissapear, if they feel depressed. etc. ) That should be taken for obvious. Also I find the concept of a daemon settling very fluid . And restricting. How can you possibly claim to know who is born ' soul bonded ' to who, or if that concept even exsists? Perhaps super man was born bonded to lois . Perhaps they are soul mates. I find daemons to be much like God actually, in that people usually only to call to them ( with the exceptionof people here i suppose ) when they are in need of help. I guess talking to your daemon is like people who pray every day in its own way. Animals can represent certain areas of ourselves perfectly but i do find them lacking in others. Why do you think so many people here have mix daemons ? Its your soul for gods sake. It can be anything you want it to be. Some times there are just no other way to describe how your feeling than " -- " and that isnt always an animal. Sybolism is cliched and overestimated.
Having a daemon constantly around is a tiring idea. They are there for when you need them, when things are rough and you need guidance. They arent your best friend. Anyone who says they talk to their daemon all the time is a liar, or kidding themselves.
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Post by Kiba on Apr 28, 2005 6:45:22 GMT -5
I think I read this in a book some were but I am not shure? A guys anima is an exotic dancing girl, that would be awesome now why can't we have those in real life
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Post by Zoe 'n' Calosta on Apr 28, 2005 11:26:40 GMT -5
Typical, you can't fall in lust with your own soul! Can you? Wait a minute...what's happened with you and Capt? That happened to Jalada too
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Post by J and Captiosus on Apr 28, 2005 13:49:51 GMT -5
Typical, you can't fall in lust with your own soul! Can you? Wait a minute...what's happened with you and Capt? That happened to Jalada too I just didn't have enough room in my mind to constantly project him, and many other factors, involving--sorry, skeptisism.
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Post by |3200k1 on Apr 28, 2005 15:01:29 GMT -5
Typical, you can't fall in lust with your own soul! Can you? Wait a minute...what's happened with you and Capt? That happened to Jalada too Whats this,now?
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on Apr 28, 2005 15:06:03 GMT -5
Animus is Latin.
Animus, -î, m. - breath, soul
Just in case some of us didn't know.
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Post by |3200k1 on Apr 28, 2005 15:32:05 GMT -5
Animus is Latin. Animus, -î, m. - breath, soul Just in case some of us didn't know. Oh! I'm sooo smart! I so totally knew that already! I've researched Anima and animus a bit....>_>; Although,I always thought that Anima was the name of the female soul and that males met their anima- the female half of the soul.
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Post by Tyrannus et Callida on Apr 28, 2005 15:48:37 GMT -5
That's what I was thinking, as the ending '-us' is masculine and '-a' is (usually) feminine.
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Post by Darkshadow on Apr 28, 2005 16:09:47 GMT -5
I always wondered where Jalada went. She hasn't posted since January, and hasn't posted more than once since November, I think. Why did she leave?
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Post by Okibi on Apr 28, 2005 16:35:39 GMT -5
[quote author=HepCat [ le FRANKIE ] link=board=daemian&thread=1114660724&start=3#0 date=1114687669]Having a daemon constantly around is a tiring idea. They are there for when you need them, when things are rough and you need guidance. They arent your best friend. Anyone who says they talk to their daemon all the time is a liar, or kidding themselves. [/quote]
I don't have time for a long debate, but I wanted to say something about this.
Rookie is a part of myself that I'm tremendously close to, and he IS there for me all the time. He is my soul, like you said. He never leaves me; he never COULD leave me. Even you must realize your dæmon loves you unconditionally, yes? So if I wanted to chat with mine every day (which I do), why would he not hear me and answer back? Every dæmon's different, but mine is eager to talk, and sometimes starts the conversation instead of me.
Seeing your dæmon with you so often may seem like a tiring idea to you, but it is possible. I see Rookie every hour of the day, whenever I want, and this visualization now comes naturally to me. Sometimes it's more difficult to NOT see him, honestly. Just because you do not want to see your dæmon or don't think you could doesn't mean it's that way for everyone.
I know my own dæmon, and I definitely know when I'm talking to him. Besides, if you think you're communicating with your dæmon, you are. Since they ARE you, how can you mentally be speaking to anyone else? If Rookie ever said, "Sorry. I didn't hear you," it's cuz he's just being rude, which isn't uncommon. XD
It's hard for me to counter some of the things you said because you need to clarify... If we're "kidding ourselves" by thinking we're speaking to our dæmons so often, then what do you think we ARE during, in reality?
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Post by Kiba on Apr 28, 2005 16:43:02 GMT -5
Typical, you can't fall in lust with your own soul! Can you? Wait a minute...what's happened with you and Capt? That happened to Jalada too Hmmm... what do you mean by that , I said it would be awesome
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Post by Kate and Kael on Apr 28, 2005 17:01:43 GMT -5
Yes, people have commented that their daemons' looks change depending on how they feel. But it's already been established that most of these people are young adults whose daemons are still in various stages of settling. However. I'll take Kael as an example. My moods change dramatically and often very quickly at short notice. I can be happy one moment and violently angry the next, or supremely depressed and miserable. That does not mean that Kael becomes an animal to reflect those feelings. His very manner changes. His expression. But he doesn't change from being a tiger. I can PICTURE him changing, but the tiger is always there, looking scornful and hurt that I've tried to make him be something he's not. Just because your daemon settles, it doesn't mean you're being restricted. That sounds like what a child would say. Peter Pan who doesn't want to leave Neverland. You grow up. While your moods and ideas may change, you still eventually become a particular person. Your mannerisms generally stay the same throughout your lifetime, the little habits that never go away. Your daemon settles. You grow up. It happens. I believe that many people on the forum have mixed daemons because they still haven't worked out yet what sort of person they are. Or maybe they're just that unique that their daemon is some sort of hybrid (I'm beginning to really dislike that word...). If you can't accept your daemon settling, then you can't accept who you are as a person. And you'll spend your entire life flitting from one image to the next, denying who you are. I'm GLAD that Kael has settled, but I guess I'm the only one on this. It feels that way, at any rate. A soul mate, to me, is very different from your soul. YOUR soul. Your daemon. The Animus/Anima idea suggests that anybody on the street could be your Animus/Anima, and be many different people. Your daemon is YOU. Your daemon is in you. I find daemons to be very unlike God actually, in that they are constant. My daemon is real to me. He has a personality, he answers whenever I ask, and he's always there even when I'm not talking to him directly. He's never not there. I don't pray to my daemon. I talk to him. He answers me. To say that your daemon is just a convenient little occasional helper is...twisted. They're not here for our convenience, they're here because they ARE us. Our SOUL. They're not their own deity, they're not seperate from us. I may not match every aspect of a tiger. I don't eat over forty pounds of meat at a single sitting (blech.) I don't pee on trees to mark my territory. But my soul is a tiger, and I find it to be a perfect representation. Because it is, and it's instinctual. He's my soul, for gods sake. But he's also himself as much as he is me. He's not 'anything I want him to be.' That is nothing but an imaginary friend, a dinky little puppet to compliment you and croon over you and tell you how wonderful you are. Your daemon may settle as something you don't like. You get over it and recognize it's you. Or you make up crap for it to be and puppet it because you don't believe. They are your best friend. If you can say that they're not and mean it, then you're nothing but fake and I pity you. You can take your patronism somewhere else.
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